Remington Rolling Block Rifle Serial Numbers

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Original Item: Only One Available. The Remington Rolling Block rifle was a breech-loading rifle produced from the mid-1860s into the early 20th century by E. Remington and Sons (later Remington Arms Company). The action was extremely strong, and could easily withstand the increased pressure of the new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1880s. This is an original Egyptian contract. Ghost - Remington made over 1,000,000 military Rolling Block rifles in many different calibers, foreign and domestic with different configurations specific to each contract, some with a low production number that are very valuable, ie the Vatican contract or the NY National Guard contract rifles. Remington Rolling Block serial numbers are notoriosly hard to year date.Remington didn't keep records like Winchester.From known dated No.2 rifles the 30 thousand range numbers run from aprox.1880 to 1888.The 32W designation is for the.32-20 WCF.Many firearms chambered for this round in that time period were so designated I have had Marlins and Winchesters marked that way.

FOREIGN CONTRACT ROLLING BLOCK MILITARY RIFLES

Remington Danish Model 1867

This was the first quantity contract sold overseas by Remington in 1867. Denmark ordered 42,000 rifles and 1,800 carbines in 11mm Danish Remington rimfire cartridge. Two-line address on tang started with REMINGTON'S and April 17, 1866 patent. Barrel 36', with long saber bayonet lug and three barrel bands spring retained. Produced under license in Denmark, original Remington made version is not commonly encountered. Tang markings of Kjobenhavn Tojhuis and year indicate a Danish copy which is very common in the United States. Prices below reflect the original Remington product.

Remington Danish Model 1867

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Remington Swedish Contract Model

In 1868, Sweden procured 10,000 complete Remington rifles and 20,000 actions. They immediately began production under license from Remington. It is often difficult to determine an original Remington made variant due to many examples having half-Swedish half-Remington components. Most of the original 10,000 Remington rifles had serialized barrels. Actions on this contract had serial numbers as well and date of 1868. Sweden manufactured dozens of domestic variants based on Remington action produced by Husqvarna, Carl Gustaf and other makers. Original Remington product had a 35' barrel, short saber bayonet lug and two-line tang address similar to Danish version. Caliber is 12.11mm Swedish Remington rimfire. Prices below indicate Remington-made rifle.
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Remington Egyptian Model

One of the largest contracts received by Remington was from Egypt. Only hard copy evidence is first contract of 30,000 rifles signed in London on 30 June, 1869, as the others were likely destroyed by a fire at Remington factory in 1939. It is estimated almost a quarter of a million were sold up to 1878-82. 149,000 were purchased by France in the war of 1870-71. Thousands have been imported to U.S. since the 1960s. Most are well worn from desert exposure and show extreme wear and replaced parts. A whole host of different Arabic markings may be encountered. Egypt also purchased carbines and musketoons in mid to late 1870s as well, but their numbers are unknown, however, condition of most are similar to the aforementioned. Those Egyptian rifles sold to France are the only specimens that occasionally surface in any appreciable condition. Left-over Egyptian models were catalogued by Remington up to 1882 and were sometimes advertised as French Model.

Remington Egyptian Model

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Remington Egyptian Model

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Remington Spanish Model

Advertised commercially from 1875 through 1902, this .43 Spanish caliber Remington Rolling Block accounts for largest number of production, with something over 1.5 million sold from 1869 to 1910. A tremendous amount of variation exists here, with differences as indicated below. Original Spanish Contract Model. Spain purchased over 90,000 rifles in three contracts from 1869 to 1873. Early slot extractor, three-band rifle with no provision for saber bayonet lug, leaf adjustable rear sight, spring held barrel bands. All have REMINGTON ILION, NY address and are found with various locally applied Spanish government and Cuban garrison markings. Those having 75 percent case colors or more will reap the higher price accordingly. First-year contract version with its concave breech-block is scarce and will reap a 50 percent premium depending on condition. Those Remington Spanish Model rifles of the Third and final contract were overproduced by several thousand more than Spain had originally ordered for the 1873 contract. In reality, Spain cancelled the receipt of close to 5,500 .43 Spanish-caliber rifles remaining in the contract, as the in-country licensed production had caught up with demand. Among the known purchasers of the surplus Spanish Model rifles was Meiji Era Japan, which since 1868 had made at least three sizeable orders of the surplus Remington rolling block rifles of the 1868 Swedish contract. In 1873, Japan ordered close to 2,400 of the Spanish Model rifles but demanded they be reamed and re-chambered to its in-country Remington caliber of 12.11mm Swedish Remington centerfire. In 1881, about 978 rifles were sold to the Kingdom of Korea with the remainder sold as surplus to Hong Kong in 1885. These are very scarce variations and practically all are stamped with the Japanese Kanji characters of “Surplus/Disposed Rifle” with a Japanese/Chinese character numeration on the right side of the chamber. They are otherwise identical to the original second and third Spanish contract rifles, aside from the 12.11mm chambering. Few of these have survived and no more than three have been viewed by the author, but it is certain there are more in circulation. Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. Prices for these three-band rifles are basically high in any condition. — George Layman.
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Post 1874 Catalogued Generic Spanish Model

Equipped with the improved rotary extractor, this configuration accounts for a majority of sales for next 36 years. Screw retained barrel bands, tang markings prior to 1887 have E. REMINGTON & SONS with 1874 as final patent year. All have 35.5' barrels, except where indicated. From 1888 until end of production, REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY marked on tang which reflects re-organization of the company. Realistically speaking, any Remington Rolling Block rifle whether re-chambered or modified from other versions that were sold by the company or its agents Schuyler, Hartley & Graham, (which would by 1900 become M. Hartley and Company) in .43 Spanish caliber was listed as 'Spanish Model'. Listed are the four sub-categories in addition to catalogued generic variant manufactured after 1874 and are priced accordingly. NOTE: Standard Generic Spanish Model (add 20 percent if Long or Short combination bayonet lug is present).
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Argentine Model of 1879

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One of the most unusual and very well built special order export versions of Spanish Model was this .43 Spanish caliber Rolling Block of which Remington produced an estimated 50,000 rifles and carbines. Its Knoxform chamber is stamped Model Argentino 1879 E.N. on top flat, and equipped with an Austrian Werndl type rear sight, three screw retained barrel bands and long saber bayonet lug. It is, however, the most commonly encountered of all Remington Rolling Block rifles in .43 Spanish caliber, as the Argentine government sold well over 25,000 to US surplus importers between 1959 and 1962. Ninety percent or more of both rifles and carbines were re-blued and refinished by host country to a practically like new condition, complete with cosmoline. Inexperienced buyers should be cautious as some dealers in the past have offered these as in 'arsenal fresh new condition'. Those in original condition with both un-refinished metal and wood bring significantly higher prices as they are not common. Any Argentine Model without the stamping over the chamber, and having a short saber bayonet lug is one of 2,500 ultra-rare Honduran contract rifles, which were nothing more than modified surplus Argentine variants. These are difficult to price, but normally reap a far higher tag than standard 1879 Argentine model. Prices below reflect common refinished variation. NOTE: Add 100 percent for those Model 1879 Argentine rifles and carbines showing 80 to 100 percent case colors and all original raised grain wood and deep blue finish.
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Greek Contract Transformed Spanish Model

This variation is part of 9,000 to 13,000 surplus Greek 1869 Contract Models that were diverted from Greece and sold to France during Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71. Remington pressured Greece into canceling their contract to reap a higher price from the French. Original caliber of Greek Model was .42 Russian Berdan, which is practically identical to .43 Spanish, aside from larger diameter neck and bullet of latter. Sold later as surplus by the French to American military arms dealers such as Schuyler, Hartley and Graham. Practically all had their chambers throated out to accept larger .43 Spanish bullet diameter and sold as 'Spanish Model' rifles or 'Greek Rifles Bushed for Spanish Cartridge' to Central and South American countries. All have spring retained three-band long saber bayonet lug. Furthermore, aside from REMINGTON'S marking on tang, all have a crown on left frame, chamber flat and on each barrel band. Some may be identified by a Circle G on left butt stock. Those that were not modified to .43 Spanish and remain in original .42 Russian Berdan caliber, will bring a premium of 75 percent. This may be determined by attempting to chamber a .43 Spanish cartridge of which .125' will protrude if in the original caliber. This variant of Spanish Model is not common.
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Egyptian Transformed Spanish Model

This version of Spanish Model was modified from existing stocks of surplus over-runs of Remington .43 Egyptian caliber rifle. Between 1878 and 1882, Remington had no customers for left-over Egyptian contract rifles. They had their agents convert these to .43 Spanish by shortening barrels to 33.875' and reaming chambers to accept smaller dimensions of Spanish cartridge. Most are encountered in well used condition, however, they are easily identified. Aside from shorter barrel length, rear sight is 1' from forward edge of receiver and most have a short combination saber bayonet lug. Also, a small 'H' cartouche is found on left receiver, as well as on flat of bayonet lug, which indicates Hartley the primary contractor who had the conversions completed. Practically all of these rifles have three-screw retained barrel bands. Those which have two barrel bands and an even shorter 29.125' barrel are rare and 40 percent should be added to below listed prices.
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Guatemalan Marked Spanish Model

Guatemala was a prolific customer of Remington's Rolling Block since 1870. However, late REMINGTON ARMS CO. tang-dated versions are only known Spanish Models having EJERCITO DE GUATEMALA (Army of Guatemala) stamped over chamber between receiver and rear sight. Nearly all these rifles display heavy usage and pitting along the wood to metal fit areas and are found in good condition at best. Many fell victim to re-barreling vise and re-chambering craze in 1960s to rebuild them into sporting-type rifles for more common .45-70 cartridge. They have become a true scarcity. All have screw retained barrel bands.
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Remington Civil Guard Model

Named after Spanish Civil Guard, but never been proven to be issued to them. Essentially a Spanish Model rifle, with two-bands and 30.5' barrel, all chambered for .43 Spanish cartridge. Many were sold to Cuban volunteer regiments serving Spain, with most found thus far with a number stamped on the wood at front tang of butt plate. Numbers appear limited and were advertised in factory catalogs dated as late as 1882. Ironically, records show Argentina procured a small number of them. Rare.
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Spanish Model Carbine

These are saddle ring carbines that remained as part of the line up until 1902, with most having a 20.5' barrel. Argentine variant like the rifle is marked identically, having Knoxform chamber as well. Some factory carbines have both saddle ring and sling swivels. An especially vary rare factory carbine are those with a full-length, two-band forearm (150 percent should be added to their prices). Single carbine barrel band with two position 100-, 300- and 500-yard sight. Locally applied markings such as a Crown over RV (Regiment of Volunteers) on Spanish/Cuban versions will add 10 to 20 percent, depending on condition. Noteworthy is that RV marked Cuban carbines are usually re-chambered to improved .43 Reformado cartridge, which is interchangeable with Spanish Remington cartridge.
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Remington Springfield Transformed Model

Offered as late as 1882, this .58-caliber Berdan centerfire was one of the early ventures of Rolling Block. Remington action was fitted to surplus .58-caliber muzzle-loading Springfield parts that were transformed into a breech-loader. Though an obsolete, low powered, short-range number, it still remained popular. However, it is believed Remington had large numbers on hand and just kept them in the catalog hoping certain customers would eventually buy them out. There were two models: Short Transformed, with 36' barrel and two spring-held barrel bands; Long Transformed, with three barrel bands and 39' barrel. Former is scarcer of the two and 30 percent should be added to below listed prices for Long Transformed variant. Dominican Republic was one of the last recorded customers purchasing a quantity as late as 1888. Both versions are considerably scarce.
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United States Model

This was a generic Remington Rolling Block chambered for .50-70 Government cartridge, with 36' barrel and three barrel bands. Advertised until 1882.
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Model 1897/1902

First advertised in late 1896. First April, 1897 catalog listed Remington's new Smokeless Powder Small Bore Military Rifle as Model 1896 until end of the year when it became Model 1897. Major difference being M 1896 had a 1x.25' sight base which used a pinned sight blade. Model 1897 was modified to use a more practical .25x.25' barleycorn type front sight. Model 1896 was offered in 7mm Spanish Mauser, 7.65mm Mauser, .30/40 Krag, 6mm (.236 Remington) and 7.62/.30 Remington. Model 1896 is not commonly encountered, however, an example in either latter two calibers will increase prices with a 90 percent premium as both are very rare calibers. Later Model 1897 was not catalogued in these two scarce chamberings. When in excellent to very good condition, add 25 percent premium for M1896 in any caliber.&break;Following October 22, 1901 improved rotary automatic extractor patent, Model 1897 dispensed with earlier side slot extractor. Introduced in early 1902, improved Model 1897 unofficially became known as Model 1902 given its first year of production, with updated automatic extractor. At the end of 1900s, so-called M1902 was equipped with a banded front sight and a more cost effective ramp type rear sight and leaf. In modern times, such an addition became known as Model 1910 for collector convenience, but again was not an official Remington Arms Company term. By this time calibers were limited to 7mm Mauser and .30/40 Krag chambering. Over 98,000 7mm Remington Model 1897/02/10 rifles were produced until 1918. These later versions may often be found in practically new, unissued condition with bright case colors. Several thousand were unsold until 1921, when most were transferred to warehouses of Remington agents and wholesalers to be sold at almost fire sale prices. NOTE: Add 20 percent premium for .30/40 Krag caliber example.

Rolling Block Rifle

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1867 remington rolling block rifle serial numbers

French Contract Model of 1914

France practically put Rolling Block tooling into full production following 1914-15 World War One French Contract. These rifles were essentially so called M1910, however, all are chambered in 8mm Lebel French service cartridge. Ironically with 100,291 produced, they have highest production record of Remington Military Rolling Block of smokeless powder era. Not a common item due to their post war distribution to numerous French colonial areas as Indo-China etc. They may be found in every condition from near excellent to poor, however, they are one of the most sought after given their First World War connection. Stocks usually have unit markings and individual serial numbers
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On the 25th of October 1866 started a committee of military from Sweden and Norway to find out a suitable rifle for Sweden and Norway. Sweden and Norway were a union with the same King at this time since the Napoleon war. A number of rifles were tried. The committee found the Remington system to be the best of them.

The Remington rolling block mechanism was designed and patented on the 1st of January 1863 by Joseph Rider, Newark, Ohio. Remington & Sons arms factory bought the patent and improved the construction further. It was this mechanism with patent from 1865, which was tested and accepted in Sweden.

May 8. 1867 the Remington rifle was accepted for the Infantry in both Sweden and Norway. The cartridge was called 12.17x44RF (.50 Swedish / Norwegian) for Rim Fire cartridge. Already at that time the military realized that a caliber of 12.17 mm was inferior in ballistic sense compared to 10.5 to 11mm. However in the Swedish and Norwegian Army there were already more than 47 000 rifles. These rifles could easily be changed to the new caliber. There might also have been some influence from USA because of the change of caliber for the US rifles m 1855 from 14.7 mm (.58) to 12.7 mm (.50) by inserting a rifled tube.

1867 Sweden bought 10 000 complete rifles from Remington & Son and 20 000 complete mechanisms, together with machines for the Swedish production of Remington rifles. Tools for ammunition manufacturing were also bought from USA.

The cartridge was made from copper sheet. It was 44 mm (1.73 inches) long. The bullet had three greasing rills and had a length of 22.28 mm (0.877 inches) and a diameter of 12.62 mm (0.497 inches). Bullet weight was 24 gram (372.4 grain). The black powder weight was 4.25 gram (65.9 grain) which resulted in a velocity of 386 meter per second (m/s) or 1266 Feet per Second (FpS). Around 1870 the Voluntary Shooting Association started to change their rifles to centre firing cartridges to be able to used brass bought in Germany to be able to reload at home. For official competitions they had to use original military rim fire ammunition. For this reason they often had two blocks, one with centre fire pin and one with a pin for rim fire.

The Swedish 12.17 mm Remington type rifles are found in 8 different models. Five of new production and three of rebuild and refurbished rifles.

The 5 Rifles new built Models:

  1. Rifle m/1867 original Remington rifle

  2. Rifle m/1867 original Remington mechanism but the rest built in Sweden

  3. Rifle m/1867

  4. Rifle m/1867-1868 or short m/1868

  5. Rifle m/1867-1874 or short m/1874

The 3 Rifles from rebuilt of older type rifles. The first year of designation represents the designation of the primary rifle:

  1. Rifle m/1860-1867

  2. Rifle m/1860-1864-1868

  3. Rifle m/1864-1868

Drawings No 1, 2 and 3 shows the bow sight of m/1867 and drawings No 4, 5 and 6 shows the ramp sight for m/1868

Drawing No 1 and 2 shows the mechanism of m/1867 and m/1868 while drawing No 3 shows mechanism of m/1874

Already 1869 had the Army supplied the majority of the Infantry regiments with Remington rifles.

Rifle m/1867 with the original type of sight was delivered to the Voluntary Shooting Association.

The Infantry personal were issued with the other four models with some exceptions (see below).

The Infantry of Gotland got rifle m/1860-1867.

Fortress Artillery units, pioneers and sap units got m/1864-1868

Grammar schools and Universities got rifle m/1860-1864-1868.

Carbine m/1870

The Royal Hussar Regiment, Jamtlands Cavalry Hunter Battalion and the Royal Horse Lifeguard got Carbines m/1870. 1880 it was decided that all cavalry units should be equipped with Carbine m/1870. 1884 this was done.

Carbine m/1885

A number of the old rifles m/1864-1868 were changed to carbines according to general order from 30th of March 1885 and designated m/1864-1868-1885. These carbines were issued to Fortress units.

These carbines shot the same cartridge like the rifles but because of the shorter barrel with even less velocity! Only 342 m/s or 1122 FpS.

1870 the Military found the ballistic of the original 12.17x44RF cartridge to be the worst of all European cartridges. The load was too small for the huge caliber and the rifling was wrong. It was inherited from the old rifle m/1860. The rifling was acceptable when the velocity was 485 m/s (1591 FpS) but it was inferior with the velocity from the Remington (only 386 m/s or 1266 FpS).

Swedish 12.17x44RF cartridge (picture AM 46107)

1877 there was assigned a new committee of Swedish and Norwegian military personal to find a better caliber for rifles, carbines and revolvers. They recommended 10.15 mm.

1880 a General Order stated that a rifle barrel should be 10.15 mm in combination with a central firing bottled shaped cartridge, 5 gram (77.6 grain) black powder and 21.8 gram (338 grain) bullet wrapped in paper. The velocity should be 465 m/s or 1525 FpS. However nothing was decided about what type of mechanism should be used! None of the many tested mechanisms were accepted.

1889 the Army wanted to improve the rifles and have better ballistics but didn’t dare to take the full step like other European countries did - with a new magazine equipped rifle in smaller caliber. The Army was stuck in old traditions and wanted spare money. Instead the standard single shot Army rifle (Remington) was redesigned again. Only the caliber was decreased - to 8 mm. This resulted in a new but at the same time old rifle designated Rifle m/1867-1889.

The firing pin was redesigned to always retract to the block and an ejector for the cartridge was equipped. Bolts for hammer and bolt were strengthened. Due to the ejector the rate of firing was increased to 6-7 shots per minute compared to 5 for m/1867.

Cartridges m/1889 (8x58 mm RD) had 4.7 gram (73 grain) compressed black powder and a 30.7 gram (476,4 grain) heavy copper jacked bullet with a diameter of 8.25 mm (0.33 inches) and 57 mm long (2.24 inches) brass case in bottle shape with a rim and central firing cap. The velocity was 535 m/s or 1755 FpS.

8x58 mm (picture AM100136)

1892 the black powder was exchanged for more modern powder – “apyrit” or grey powder. This gun powder gave the bullet a velocity of 630 m/s or 2067 FpS.

The Rifle m/1867-1889 was a good solid rifle with good accuracy but it soon became obsolete because it was a single shot rifle and lacked a magazine.

The cavalry was the first unit which realized the advantages with more than one shot. Up until 1893 this unit was stuck with the old carbines m/1870 but 1894 they accepted the first Swedish Mauser m/1894 in caliber 6.5x55 mm.

Swedish Mauser Carbine m/1894 (6.5x55mm)

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Original m/1867 Remington made rifle marked:

with bow type of rear sight.

m/1867 Rem original1379564.25YesValnut12.17x44mmbow

m/1867 made mechanism with rest of the rifle made in Sweden.

m/1867 Rem mechanism1379564.25YesValnut/Birch12.17x44mmbow
m/1867 (H or C)1379564.25YesValnut/Birch12.17x44mmbow

When models above got the ramp type of rear sight they were re-designated m/1867-1868

m/1867-681379564.25Yes/NoBirch12.17x44mmramp
m/1867-18741379564.25YesYellow birch12.17x44mmramp
m/1860-186713392.564.15YesBrown birch m/186012.17x44mmramp
m/1860-1864-1867125844Yesfrom m/1860-186412.17x44mmramp
m/1864-1867125844Yesfrom m/186412.17x44mmramp

1889 Husqvarna

m/1867-18891248464CF8x58mmRDramp
Carbine m/1870864662.65Yes12.17x44mmramp
Carbine
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864663.21Yesm/1864-186812.17x44mmramp

Rifle m/1867-1868 made by Husqvarna 1873.

This is the most common Sweish Remington with changed rolling block for 12.17x44 mm centre fire cartridge.

Central firing pin of the rolling block

Remington Model 4 Serial Numbers

Rifle m/1867-1889-1893.

This is most likely a rifle intended for Grammar schools and Universities. (8x58 mm RD)

Remington Rolling Block Rifle Kit

Krevadkarbin (Burst-carbine) m/1867-1913 or m/1913

1913 some rolling blocks were rebuilt for training purpose in peace time.

This gun (Krevadkarbin m/1913) shoots a projectile which will simulate an artillery explosion in the air.

The Remington era came to an end.

Remington Rolling Block Rifles Serial Numbers